and angela says clutch athlete the one and only michael air jordan. and ron says kirk gibson, '84 tigers and hobbled home run for l.a.. >> it was game one and he it didn't do it over game one. he didn't do it over the course of the series he was hurt but it was a single amazing clutch play. next at fenway park, "morning joe". >> here comes the 2-1 pitch. high fly ball to left. this ball is off the monster. one run scores. here comes ortiz. here comes gomes. he is safe! he brings it home. pitch number 59. hit into right center.

back at the wall. it is gone! it hasn't happened at fenway park for 95 years. the red sox, are the world champions. >> from day one, to be the best team we possibly could be. >> i'm really fired up to be a part of this. it's pretty cool. >> i called it in six. >> good morning, it is thursday, happy halloween october 31st. this halloween morning the boston red sox are going dressed as world series champions. we're live from boston's fenway park where hours ago the boston red sox won their third world series title in the past ten years. it was the first time the team clinched the title at home in 95 years. the win was particularly special

for the city of boston coming 198 days after two bombs at the boston marathon killed three and injured more than 200 others. and we are here, live at fenway. boston as you can see was crazy last night. >> it really was. >> mike barn cal and peter gammons here with us as well. >> it was an absolutely unbelievable evening. it was an unbelievable year. >> yeah. can you imagine. >> we're here opening day. you're not a front-runner, one of the most loyal red sox fans. you go to the first game of the year and last game of the year. >> exactly. >> they are winning the world series in boston. but we were here the first game of the year and it was just nice. nobody expected much out of this team. and it was a nice week or two of baseball. and then april 15th happened. and i remember mike, who always has been the guy -- mike you're

always the guy, you called me up when i was in florida, you said this is going on. it's always about games. you called me up when they had the first game back here at fenway. and you said, joe, get in front of your tv set, you're about to see something special. you're about to see a city come around a baseball team. like never before. >> well, the team exelmplifies like never before. the marathon bombing, it was like a family picnic was bombed. everyone knows somebody who ran in the marathon. the team to its credit embraced that concept and became the vessel for so much anxiety being released, being relieved and

they did it success fufully. >> and big papi coming out. unless you live in boston, unless you're from boston and we see this only through the eyes of mike and guys like you who don't understand what the marathon means to this city and you don't understand what the red sox means to this city, the only example we have is mika, lewis and i were up here to give a speech. it happened to be the weekend that the patriots won the super bowl, the sox just had a bad year and we went to the barnacles, nobody was watching the patriots fight but we were in the other room and mike were talking about who the red sox was going to pick up in the offseason. this team, this park belongs to the city. >> it's a big family. everybody here, you feel like when you're here at fenway you're in one massive family and

last night the streets were absolutely wild. >> because it's an urban team and this ballpark is carved out of a strange construction of administrates it's so much a part of the city. that people care differently. matt holliday, i refer to patriot's day as a holiday, it's the only day like that in this country. people go the ballpark to watch the marathon go by. the intermingling. >> unbelievable intermingling. brian schactman is with us. he's here for one reason and only one reason and that's to tell us he predicted the red sox would win it in six. >> not everyone caught eight because i was off camera. >> that was the most important thing to talk about. brian talk about you've been a red sox fan your whole life. >> yeah.

>> talk about last night. >> i would just say to echo some of the things peter and mike said, last year was embarrassing. it was an embarrassment. i think you put the marathon stuff aside for a second from a pure baseball fan standpoint. i had very low expectations and to have something like this happen is just a pleasant surprise. so the team in '07 it was, as i said earlier gravy. now the team was back to being an underdog. you could like them again. it was strange for me last year i didn't like the team. they weren't likeable. listen, these are the days, and peter and mike know, my grand father would watch the red sox play, get so frustrated, turn it off and go gardening. >> let's talk about how only second team in history to go from worst to first. i want to add to something brian

said. then i want to talk about the cardinals. this team was not a likeable team two years ago. >> no. at the beginning of last season. and i'm alone here. the team wasn't likeable at the beginning of the year last year because of the way they turned on their manager in the first week even when it wasn't his fault. i still think he got a bum rap. they weren't likeable. we dumped $250 million in payroll and i remember sting and other people around, you know what? that's a win for us. that's our world series this year. we'll be good in three or four years. nobody expect this. >> going from last to first to winning the world's championship that's a feat itself. going from most loathed sports team in all of the sports to a team that's beloved now in this

region with ball players who are truly likeable is a different concept and it came out of that deal that you just mentioned with three players. not bad fellows but sent to the los angeles dodgers. combined payroll relief to the red sox amounted to a quarter of a billion dollars which allowed them to sign several guys who your knick. >> who carried us. look who carried us through this series. ortiz obviously. a guy we signed for $1.5 million a while back. johnny gomes. last night drew finally gets a hit. we had a .184 batting average but our guys always came through. >> coaching koji uehara. ends up one of the greatest relief seasons in baseball history. he's such a character. you could see in the atmosphere here the players, the alarming enthusiasm is organic because the players have their own walk

up song. i walked home last night about 2:00 in the morning, some guy drove by me and shouted out everything is going to be all right. and every night stood up he's third at-bat, sixth or seventh inning the whole ballpark stands. >> you know what's a weird experience watching mike barnacle watch the game. >> by the way, so mike barn cal is not right. we're talking to ann his wife last night. mike doesn't smile. it took until two outs in the ninth inning he turned around and went like this. this filled my twitter feed last night. >> this is not right. i tried to talk to him three times. >> the secretary of state john kerry was next to mike and we were on the other side. >> that was mike. john kerry kept trying to talk to him. finally with two outs left, barnacle turned around like this

and smiled. >> it's not a normal experience. let's get to some of the other news after nine minutes into the show. >> we have to talk quickly about cardinals. >> of course. >> incredible organization. over the past decade the sox and cardinals have won five out of ten world series, and you can't say enough about this cardinals team who may have been a better baseball team. >> peter knows the internals better than i do but these are two great old franchises, red sox and cardinals. that added to the alure of the series. >> to me two best baseball cities in the united states. but they played in the world series four times in my lifetime. it's my remarkable. irish i remember 2004. it got to the eighth inning and

2,000 more than this outside of the ballpark. they opened the gates and let all the people in so they could watch the red sox in. cardinals are the only team that would do that. >> all right. also with us this morning in new york we have the chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch. and former communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace is in new york and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. and in washington "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. >> thank you all for coming in. now we'll go back to talking about baseball. we got some stuff to talk about. we got the president obviously his approval ratings are lower. we were here to see the president. >> on location. >> health care reform. only reason we're here. also kathleen sebelius gave

testimony yesterday. it was interesting. >> it was. the problems with the health care roll out along with trouble surrounding the irs, syria and nsa have left president obama with an approval rating of an all time low. a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds 42% approve of the job he's doing as president. that's down ten points from when he started his second term. right now 51% disapprove. for the first time in the survey the president's positive/negative rating is upside down, 45% to 41%. public pinto the gop has sunk to a new low. 22% see the party in a positive light. democrats fared 15 points better. those in the poll say they will vote independent in the 2014 elections compared to thele 28% who say they will vote

republican. nicole. >> nicole, let's digest things here. president's ratings at an all time low. the republican party's approval ratings at an all time low in the nbc news "wall street journal" poll. i don't see things getting better for either side coming out of the government shutdown and any republicans thinking they are getting a boost by the president's problems can look at these polls and others and see it's just not enough to be against their guy, republicans have to come up with their own ideas. >> that's right. if you look at these numbers -- we keep talking about arriving at some sort of floor for republicans, and what's so stunning is that the bottom keeps getting lower and lower and i think -- i heard mike barn cal say something during way too

early the world series has been a wonderful respite from all the ugliness in washington. i think that's true. what republicans have to take from this and joe you talked about this a lot, bush has talked about this, we have to draw a line in the sand and decide every time we're in front of the camera it's an opportunity to talk about what we're for. so to continue down this path railing against this administration's policies. >> the most stunning number was basically two-thirds of americans would say they would vote their congressman out of office. not along republican lines or democratic lines. this to me is the most stunning number in that nbc/wall street journal poll. >> it speaks to broken politics and acceptance by the country that something is very wrong. to build on nicole's point all politicians should use this moment to talk about what the country needs, what your party is for and how you make the country a better place. i hope the president and

democrats look at this. the democrats have enjoyed the approval ratings, democrats shouldn't take that as a sense we're doing all the right things. it's the fact we have great opponents. republicans in many ways have damaged themselves so much. >> the contrast in boston watching the sum greater than its parts, 25 guys coming together and working towards a goal, highly functioning versus what's going on in washington. if you're advising either party going on to 2014, what are your saying at this point? >> i think the way that this works it's always to republicans and congress's benefit when they don't have anything legislatively to do and at the moment all they have to do is beat up on the president and that's working. one of the striking numbers in this poll is that 59% of americans say they heard a lot about the affordable health care act problems and that's cause ad tremendous sense of frustration among democrats on capitol hill

right now who feel the white house has left them with no message, no way to defend the president against these allegations that he knew the affordable care act would do things he said wouldn't. you're not only seeing republicans pounce on the president but democrats are starting to turn on him as well. >> mika, i want to go back to you guys. you're in boston there. obviously a lot of fanfare. the great thing about new york how we embrace even when our arch enemies, the new york news -- the post can appropriately stack the news and you can see the attention they gave -- there it is right there. the red sox win. so that's what i love about new york. this is a fair game type of city. >> exactly. you guys are all class. >> moving on popularity for the

president's signature health law is trending downward amid frustration with its glitchy launch. 37% say the law was a good idea. down slightly from a month ago. 47% say it's a bad idea. 40% say they are less confident based on what they have seen and heard and just 9% say they feel more confident. half say their opinion hasn't changed. when it comes to the quality of the website, 37% believe the problems will only last a short time and 31% believe it's a long term issue. 30 say it's too soon to say. it's not just the presidentess critics panning the rollout of the affordable care act. his own cabinet secretary calls the website miserably frustrating. health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius struck an apolo gettic tone during testimony yesterday on capitol hill. she faced an almost four hour grilling on this. nbc's kelly o'donnell was there. >> reporter: a crisis on her

watch. would you consider giving people more time to enroll? >> some democrats are asking for that. >> reporter: healthercare.gov website kathleen sebelius drew a lot of attention. and spectators came to hear what went wrong. >> you deserve better. i apologize. i'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. and i'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site. >> reporter: hammered by questions sebelius repeatedly took the blame for at that roll out she labled a debacle. she admitted her department refused to do enough to catch flaws. >> do you believe that two weeks was enough time to complete testing of the entire system? >> clearly not. >> reporter: beyond website issues, frustration and confusion over a promise often

made by the president. >> the president kept sfaaying you like your health care plan you can keep your plan. is he keeping his promise? >> yes. >> reporter: constituents without employer provided insurance say their policies are being cancelled or prices hiked in part because the health care law includes more services. >> they don't offer the minimum essential benefits. >> reporter: she said it only affects a small number of americans. >> consumers have a right to shop anywhere, compare plans and they have choices now that they never had before. >> reporter: after four hours on the hot seat, republicans say they still have many questions. >> she has provided some clarity, not enough. not enough detail. >> reporter: secretary sebelius told lawmakers she will come back in december with a progress report. jeremy peters, a week or two ago everybody was talking about

the website. the problems with the website. you can always say the website will get fixed. this keeps getting worse. "l.a. times" story people being dropped. the sticker shock aspect of it. kelly o'donnell's story on the president knowing people wouldn't be able to keep their insurance policies. how were the democrats responding on the hill and how concerned are they right now this is an issue that will put a drag on them in 2014? >> they've asked the white house, democrats on capitol hill how do we respond when our constituents call and believe me they have been calling, every member of congress and saying, you know, what's going on? why am i being dropped? the white house has not given democrats what they feel is a satisfactory response. there's a messaging problem here that democrats are hoping the white house can remedy and it hasn't yet.

so that's going to -- dennis mcdon'tough is coming up on the hill and you'll see if the party is as strained as people think it is over this issue. >> jeremy, i was speaking yesterday with a fairly prominent democrat in the senate and his complaint was similar to the one you just articulated that they have, that some democrats have and he suggested because of the day yesterday here in boston, a baseball metaphor that the administration ought to use. that they play nine innings in a normal baseball game and they are complaining and bitterly criticizing the health plan at this point is like saying the game is lost in the second inning. it's just off the boards. it's early in the count. and there's a lot more time to go. his feeling is they haven't articulated enough his fact, he assesses that more people become familiar with the health plan, the more they will like it and

that's the way to go. the question is why isn't the white house listening to these various democrats? >> that's a good question. i think part of the issue is that republicans have to be careful. they have a tendency in issues where the white house is already back on its heels to overreach. you saw this with the irs scandals over the summer, you saw this with benghazi and there's a real concern inside the republican party right now that they not focus on the website as joe was alluding to earlier, the website has gotten a disproportionate share of attention. republicans have always risked looking like they are being too gleeful about the affordable care act is deficiencies. there comes where americans say

enough. >> all right. by the way, peter gammon, we ran into him this morning. he was supposed to be here later. coming up on "morning joe," live from fenway park the red sox manager john farrell joins us. also team ceo and president larry lucchino and senator ed markey. ahead republican senator john thune. but first bill karins with a check on the halloween forecast. bill? >> good morning to you guys. unfortunately, mika, one of the worst halloween forecasts identify had to give in many years. so many millions of kids and parents will be getting drenched by heavy rain. in areas of new england, pittsburgh, buffalo rain already on you. that will head up into new england. cloudy, wet cool day. northern half of new england especially this afternoon and tonight. as far as the forecast goes new york city northward chance of

showers drier in philly, baltimore, i-95 corridor should be just fine. all the worst of it, the green is the rain. go from dallas, texas to toronto and we're getti ting dressed. indianapolis cancelled halloween asking people to trick-or-treat on friday. this is what the radar looks like tonight at 7:00 p.m., chicago, cleveland, detroit, all the way, louisville, cincinnati, a wash out of a halloween. boston chance of showers tonight. i don't think you'll mind one bit celebrating in the streets. you're watching "morning joe".

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it's time now to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with our parade of papers, "the washington post." the nsa is facing accusations of secretly tapping into google and yahoo!'s data centers across the globe the post reports. the tactics would sweep up information of millions of american users. google and yahoo! say they have no knowledge of nsa's access. meanwhile the italian magazine reports the agency spied on cardinals at the vatican during the conclave that selected pope francis. really? >> that's pretty good. >> i'm telling you what, man. >> what? >> nsa is like a runaway beer truck. somebody has got to jump inside of the beer truck and steer to it the side of the road. they are spying on the cardinals? >> the nsa saying i have a great idea the conclave with the cardinals, let's bug it. we'll get the early odds on who

will be pope. come on get something to do. >> that's a little messed. >> new york names new york city has the strictest limits on tobacco products in the country. voted to raise the age to buy cigarettes from 18 to 21. michael bloomberg will sign the bill and take effect in six months. >> new jersey star ledger senator-elect cory booker will be sworn into office by vice president joe biden at the u.s. capitol today. booker submitted his letter of resignation from his post as mayor of new york, new jersey before leaving for d.c. he will finish the final year of the term of late senator frank lautenberg who passed away in june. >> "l.a. times," global wine shortage may be on the horizon as the world's largest wine producing countries, spain, france and italy are struggling to keep up with growing demands. research from morgan stanley said the wine industry was undersupplied by 300 cases last

year. people like harold ford jr. suffering the most. harold for -- >> he does wine tasting several times a day. >> he has a wine cellar the size of a football field. anyway. wine consumption not only in harold's home but in u.s. and china has quadrupled over the past five years. wine prices may soon be on the rise. >> "new york daily news" a woman from north dakota says she will tackle childhood obesity this halloween, listen to this, by denying candy to children she feels is overweight. >> stop it. >> listen. i want gets worse. the "daily news" reports she plans to distribute a letter to trick-or-treaters that she teams moderately obese. recommending they lay off the sugar. part of the letter says quote my hope is you'll step up as a parent and ration candy this

halloween. i don't agree with this. and not allow your child to continue these unhealthy eating habits. oh, my gosh shop and frisk. shop and frisk me. >> the "daily news," mike, unbelievable story, the "daily news" broke the story last week about shop and frisk. like macy's, and barney's. macy's and barney's bp what the "daily news" is finding is shocking is that if you are actually guilty of being black while you're shopping and buying expensive purchases -- >> they might stop you and look in your bag. >> the "daily news" has been all over this thing last week. it's really going to be bad. the attorney general now, they are reporting the attorney general now is demanding to get records of everybody that they've stopped. >> we've talked about this concept many, many times over the years. and it is this.

that if i go into, i don't want to name a store specifically but you go into a store dressed like me, and i'm coming in by a black guy, odds are that someone in the store is going to watch the black guy going down aisle one or aisle two and let me a shoplifter do anything i want to do. >> you steal that wonderful shampoo from the ritz, i love that stuff. you can buy bottles and bottles of that stuff. >> what are you talking about? >> he gives it to me. free shampoo. he brings it in his coat. >> i go to the holiday inn. i don't know about the ritz. is that an accurate assessment >> the few times you and i have been in barney's together i'll say that has happened. and you've walked out with several ties -- >> all right this is getting stupid. >> okay. thank you, harold. >> unfortunately not to make light of it unfortunately it is true and i hope -- i'm glad to

see barney's is starting to address and all other stores are going to address this. >> let's go to donny right now. political playbook. >> so i'm excited to see that we're about to meet a new kind of gentler ted cruz. tell us about the olive branch that mr. cruz is extending to some of his colleagues. >> he may be groveling back to the center of republicans. he burned a lot of bridges as we know during the government shutdown. during a meet with senate republicans yesterday he said the senate conservatives found he's been aligned with in the past is an anti-incumbent group. they've gone out there, lindsey graham, cochran. he says i will not primary against any of the incumbents. i will not fundraiser for this group. i'll have my images removed from all material.

he's not cutting all ties. he made it very clear to those colleagues he has in the senate he's not going campaign against them which was kind of a big fear and also just one month ago those colleagues asked him will you renounce your association with that group and he said no. 30 days later he's clearly made a switch. it's very clear he knows if he wants to continue to have this national podium it's hard to do when his own caucus doesn't like him. will these republican senators bring him back? >> it's interesting, cruz will be on leno next week. clearly he understands he needs a remake. you whisper in his ear what does he need to do. >> i read about his wife and i would suggest that ted cruz call in sick and send his wife. she sounds like the thinking half of that partnership. i want to put ted cruz aside for a second. what i keep hearing from republicans in washington is that if we hadn't had the

shutdown, where would we be on this health care law. it can't be true that when things are going bad for republicans it's bad for republicans and when things are going badly for the white house it's bad for republicans. republicans feel not redeemed but like they are beginning to crawl back at a policy place and in terms of this law being more problematic for the white house than i think people understand at this point, i would put this at, you know, going back to mike's baseball analogy. we're in the first inning of the collapse of democratic support for this law and i think it's only a matter of weeks before republicans can quietly engage democrats in trying to fix this law. then you have a bipartisan uprising against this law. i think that republicans have long stopped talking about ted cruz. i think this tour he's on is acknowledgement of that. republicans are now focused on what people think they should

have been focused on all the time. >> do they have an alternate. >> making the one part obama promised make it true, people who liked their plans they can stay in it. it will appeal to democratic lawmakers in parts of the country you're familiar with. >> to harold's point, even though it's so flawed at the end of the day there's still no, no, no, it's wrong and still need to make that pivot and turn to what they will do to make it right. >> much more from fenway park ahead on "morning joe." we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. so i c an reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7. i'm sorry, i'm just really reluctant to try new things.

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♪ boy, amazing shots. lewis did that earlier this year, opening day and what a season it's been. let's bring in senior political

editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post" sam stein. sam, we know the right people. barnacle, we had some incredible seats and, of course, john henry and linda, so kind to us. >> oh, my gosh. >> but as a red sox fan for life what was it like being here last night? you and schactman grew up with this. >> as you know i couldn't stop grinning. i was hugging people. i wouldn't believe how fortunate i was. so grateful to be here. i was paranoid the entire time. >> you were up 6-1 and eighth inning and sam is telling everyone don't smile. >> 27 outs. >> because we all remember, 1986, we were looking -- >> mine was 2003. >> that was a nightmare. >> i was of zooming when they left lackey one extra hitter no

i want to take this batter i envisioned martinez through my head. i was waiting for the final out. it finally came and then suddenly like a huge relief. you realized exactly how much you love this team. an amazing team. >> this year was an amazing team. there was a mercernary field in 2007. so many people suffered through with these red sox fans. people will talk about '75, of '78. this year, and this team, special, brian shactman as any team that's been assembled in this historic park. >> that's exactly right. as i mentioned before they finally went back to being underdogs like they were in '04

and what happened with the yankees. it's funny, you talk about 2003. i was 15 years old in 1986. at the height. being a fanatic fan we used fight over the sports pages. it was honestly as crushing as anything i had seen in my whole life. >> after the game, we were out on the field which is just crazy with the players and while everyone else was hugging and dancing i photo bombed big papi. i tried to get him to take a picture with me but he wouldn't even turn his back. >> big papi don't play around. >> i wanted to talk to him. >> john kerry was there last night. big sox fan. he follows the boston teams closely. again he was sitting next barnacle. and barnacle would not talk to the secretary of state. >> for the second time in the

series. >> because mike barnacle doesn't talk to anybody. >> i remember at one point they charted chanting mvp for ortiz in the fifth inning and the presumption is we won and he would be mvp. >> here's sam stein photo bombing the secretary of state. of course look at rattner photo bombing as well. i turned to kerry, like it's too early and he gave me a look. >> johnny gomes, we have that as well. >> crazy game. >> lewis with johnny gomes last night, quite a fascinating shot. but it was a special evening. and anybody that's been to fenway, and all of us, being standard or care fans are wise -- i'm sitting there, john farrell comes over before the game and i'm nervous. i'm talking to john farrell. there's joe torre.

hey, i'm a big fan. >> he is coming on the show. >> but, you know, what he's done this year for this team is absolutely extraordinary. >> they wanted him over bobby valentine, the general motors wants to hire john farrell. >> hold on a second. look at this picture. there's lewis taking the picture. is that a full on scarf he has going on there. he was wearing this long island thing. >> i want to point out, i don't have the shot, donny is not even on the set, you guys were all having shrimp cocktail in the front row and, you know, donny made fun of my seats before i was in the nose bleeds i was up in the monster. >> oh, tear lord. >> for the game. i don't get to hang out with the secretary of state.

>> this is the amazing thing about fenway. there's not a bad seat. >> there's not. >> you're as lose to the field as anybody. you're in a bar stool at a sports bar. it's the entire field in front of your face. >> you saw victorino right off the wall. >> i thought i could bring something home for my wife. it was awesome. >> absolutely unbelievable. and it sort of -- you get vertigo following this team for as long as you do and they don't win and now we won three in a decade. >> i started believing when steven drew was hitting .094 and popped a home run and said wow there's something happening. >> joe, you and barnacle go bed and stop being punch drunk on the show. stimulus ahead on "morning joe," chuck todd joins us with nbc's brand new polling plus doris kearns goodwin will be here.

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♪ >> it hasn't happened at fenway park for 95 years! the red sox, are the world champions. >> these guys in uniform over here to be able to come to work with them every day, to see how they prepared, the work they put in and to share it in front of everyone here, the greatest fans in this sport, it's one heck of a night. wow. welcome back to "morning joe." live from fenway park. and the world champion boston red sox. this is an amazing morning. mike barnacle is still with us. it's surprising at this point. >> after ten minutes of sleep. >> joining us now is pulitzer

prize winning author, doris kearns bald win. she's the author of the upcoming book "the bully pulpit." >> we're talking about golden ages. >> oh, my goodness. >> you almost have vertigo as a red sox fan waiting as long as so many people waited here. going, you know, people going their entire lifetime without having a world series and, doris, now three in a decade. >> and the most special one was last night. i mean to be here at home, part of it is sharing with people of your city, right? i've never ever seen a world series victory because i wasn't in st. louis, i wasn't in colorado. we went in after brooklyn won in 1955 but i wasn't there. so to be part it. there's something about this team, you know, what is a team but people that work together and support individual interests for the common goal.

they did it. you keep singing that song from "damn yankees," ♪ you need to have heart sometimes cliches are heart. i love this team and guys. >> and john henry, these guys came to boston a city and a fan base. it didn't get any better in 2003. i mean by the end of 2003 and the yankee series it was like, okay, never going to win. i mean these guys, what they have done, i'm sorry, i will said. this year maybe the most special one with theo in chicago. but this organization did this year with theo in chicago. unbelievable.

what john, tom, larry, this entire organization has done. >> that's very true, joe. they brought the team in december of 2001. they transformed this fenway park. they transformed this ballpark around us. completely renovated it. kept it. it's a piece of history that will go on into the future. >> they were going tear it down. i was here at the all-star game in '99 and everybody was talking about tearing fenway down. >> they provided new england and red sox fans, three world series titles within a span of ten years. you're right about 2003. the epic heartbreak in game seven in new york with aaron boone hitting the home run off tim wakefield. they decided it was their destiny. but this year's team what happened with this year's team after what happened last year -- baseball is a sport of

resilience and redemption and learning how to live with failure. this red sox team is a team of resilience. fans have learned to live with failure. you win three out of ten times you go to cooperstown. >> nothing like being here last night. it was hard to describe. >> it really was. doris you talked to people who have been red sox fans their entire lives. they will talk about 2003, 2004, but they don't talk about 2007. there was a mercenary feel to that team. we started dumping guys. johnny gomes coming out here. drew at the end. koji uehara. they did prove it's about resilience, it's about team. i hate to sound like my dad coaching in little league. >> it's true. >> you cannot buy world series.

you just can't. >> you can't buy character. these guys, they weren't only characters but they had character. they had moral fiber and leadership. you got to give john farrell notorious credit and ortiz. what would we be without big papi talking to the team when thing were down. one thing said about him, david ross said about him, he wants to win more badly, i don't know if that's the right grammar than any other superstar that i've ever seen. look at that. >> right behind. >> so impressed. photo bombing. >> she photo bombed my to bomb. >> a lot of photo bombing going on. >> big papi wouldn't talk to me. >> so, mike, i remember when i was 6 or 7, reading a book, i

always read about baseball growing up and reading about a pitcher, i don't remember his name now because this is like 45 years ago. >> so young. >> about a hot shot pitcher that everybody was excited to get to fenway. he got on the mound for the first time, turned around, looked at the green monster and just started shaking. explain how this is a suffocating city when it comes to being a red sox player. it's a suffocating ballpark if you're 22 or 23-year-old hot shot pitcher the cardinals had a few. and you know they had to turn around and, you know, explain why the idiots in 2004 are these crazy characters in 2013 with their beards, why that is so necessary to survive in this park and in this city? people don't understand, this is a toughest town to play baseball in because it's for the players. >> for the players, you have to have a special mentality to be

able to deal with a situation here in boston. it can be claustrophobic. if you're a red sox player you can't go grocery shopping, you can't go out to eat, you can't put gas in your car. with regard to people coming in and playing here, the cardinals or any other team, again, the word claustrophobic, the fans are so close to the action -- >> that's the only time mike barnacle smiled. >> i'm sorry. >> i don't know. it will be interesting to see. these games were excruciating. but after that it was horrible these last games. i couldn't bear it.

i'm not a baseball purist. i don't like these 1-0, 2-0 games. >> we want to talk about this quickly and we have to go to news. >> sports in washington. >> mike, i've never seen a series like actually the two, that we had against the tigers. look at the tigers series, tigers probably a better team. they had remarkable pitching. and we had no business winning that series. you go back to resilience. this series, i remember a couple of nights ago going into fifth, sixth inning back .184. are you kidding me. i'm going to have a heart attack. it's remarkable this team won the world series when they played two teams on paper who were better. >> you can run all these metaphors into the ground which i'll proceed to do. we beat tampa bay's best two pitchers. three of the best pitchers in the american league who belong to the detroit tigers.

we beat two of the best pitchers in baseball. if you keep getting back in the batter's box, you keep swinging, you're going to hit eventually. whether you're going to school or whether you lost your job and a lot of people have lost their jobs, stay in the batter's box. >> doris, if there's ever a movie done about john lackey, i don't know why there would be, but if there is, this is a guy with resilience. he proves if you keep on going to the mound, some remarkable thing -- here's a guy that has probably been more cursed around this ballpark in the past three years, more boos, yet last night it was a remarkable moment him walking off the field, looking up -- he's always, i'll just say it no other expression always pissed off when he's taken out. he walks over and i'm thinking

tip your hat. you're not kenney williams. let's have this moment of forgiveness. he tips his hat. one of the more moving moments. >> it was a big moment. we were waiting to see would he do it. it's not fun for him to they are redemption thing. everybody was talking about how hated he was. now we don't have to do that any more. he's in. from next year on he'll be the winner of the seventh game. >> like derek lowe. i don't care where he goes or what he does if i can buy him a drink anywhere i will. jon lackey, and koji uehara, i don't remember mike lackey -- a guy who is beloved in the clubhouse, beloved in the clubhouse. always has been. but lackey, this is a remarkable series noirm. mika is laughing. i'm sorry. >> you can talk for 18 hours about red sox.

>> we're here. >> there is -- >> to your point about derek lowe. it gets back to the fact you have to have players that can play in this market. derek lowe was one of those players. your new best friends kevin mallar and kevin chesney and john kerry they regard people like derek lowe, they regard coming back here having played multiple teams after the red sox as coming home. they use that phrase. >> tell you what, mika, speaking of kevin millar and kevin chesney they were going to punch each other. he's walking out. millar is giving advice to every batter that goes past him and they just turn and stare at him are you serious old man? are you serious. big papi at one point turns and i thought he was going to throw

a ball at him. but he always, millar -- you say millar goes fastest. >> he yells. >> big papi what are your 84, 85. crazy. >> let's go to some news now. >> oh, no. >> it's awful. i'm depressed. i'm is going walk off set. >> any kale wallace, harold ford and jeremy peters. problems with the health care roll out. >> i'm out of here. >> along with the trouble surrounding -- >> i'll go with you. >> come on. >> surrounding the irs, syria and nsa have left president obama with an approval rating at an all time low. a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds just 42% approve of the job he's doing as president that's down 10 points from when he started his second term. 51% disapprove. for the first time in the survey the president's positive

negative rating is upside down, 41 to 45%. public opinion for the gop has sunk to an all time 22% see the party in a positive light. 30% of those polled say they would most likely vote independent in 2014 elections. compare that with 28% who say they will vote republican and when it comes to obama care, 40% say they are less confident based on what they have seen and heard. just 9% say they feel more confident. half say their opinion hasn't changed. he was in boston yesterday trying to sell his health care while using mitt romney's plan in massachusetts as an example. >> if it was hard to do it in one state it's hard doing it in all 50 states, especially when the governors of a bunch of states and half of the congress

aren't trying to help. yeah. it's hard. but it's worth it. it is the right thing to do. we're going to keep moving forward. >> what can happen here in massachusetts can happen all across the country and for them and for you we're going to see through. for the fewer than 5% of americans who buy insurance on your own, you will be getting a better deal. so anyone peddling the notion that insurers are cancelling people's plan without mentioning that almost all the insurers are encouraging people to join better plans with the same carrier and stronger benefits and stronger protection while others will be able to get better plans with new carriers through the marketplace and many will get new help to pay for these better plans and make them cheaper if you leave that stuff out, you're being grossly misled to say the least. all right. so challenges for both sides given those poll numbers. so harold ford jr., i would love

to hear what the options are for the white house in terms of guesting anything done and also pushing obama care through to a time when the website actually worked to try to get 7 million people lined up. someone screaming. then nicole in turn the challenge for the republican party to try and bring themselves back. harold. >> i think it's a moment of inflection for both parties. the president has talked about pivoting to immigration reform as his next step. the next steps have to be one fix the health care enrollment challenge. ensure that americans who want to find affordable options i think it's important that the white house and hhs and other agencies ensure that the american people do that and, two get us a good solid medium to long term budget bargain deal. reform entitlements, reform the

tax code, get back to doing things that the american people want us to do and then i think it takes a republican party willing to do this and the president has to lead on this because much of the onus is on the administration to do that. >> republicans have been infl t inflicting and reflecting ourselves into fits. the white house, i'm not sure they even recognize how in peril the rest of barack obama's presidency is at this point. the most devastating thing isn't that you lose credibility in your, among your press corps which seems to be happening with obama's pledge that turns out not to be true if you like your plan you can keep it. the most devastating thing to obama's white house isn't that the republicans are united against them. democrats were united against george w. bush for the entirety of his presidency. the most devastating thing for the obama white house is that they are losing credibility

among democrats and they are doing that because they are incompetent. not because they are wrong. there are a lot of democrats willing to go along with that. willing to get behind him. he won two presidential elections in a decisive manner. but they have roven that they do not know how to run a competent policy process and proving now that they can't run a political process behind their policy initiatives. >> the thing about obama through five years is interesting no matter what was going wrong with his policies, his personal ratings, he still got the pass. this is the first time, this is a seminal moment in his presidency that his personal numbers are upside down disapproving. proving where do you go with him? >> i still think there is a peril here for republicans in trying to hit the president too hard. this was a lesson that at that lot of republicans feel they failed to learn in 2012 where the people driving the party's

message disliked the president more than the american public itself and they tried to rein that in as they were running for the white house in 2012. obviously that hasn't happened. now, harold raises a good point. the president is most vulnerable when congress doesn't have a legislative item of the president to act on because they can just beat him up and that's exactly what they are doing right now. that's in turn to any kole's point creating a lot of anxiety among democrats about this health care law. and you see that, when you look at the 2014 senate candidates like mary landru who came out yesterday, a democrat from louisiana, a place where obama care is unpopular, conservative state and she's proposing legislation that would allow people to keep their health care plans. that creates quite a rift among democrats. >> you look at joe man chins and mark pryors of the world,

take it back to boston because we want to celebrate this world series. that's where the rift could happen. >> mika, before we go to break because i want to ask you a question. i like to stand up for everybody. you're in the sweats the secretary of state. even lewis. lewis is in the second row. young brian shactman, cub reporter is still -- >> is he still in the green monster. >> what happened there? this to me -- i'm feeling his pain over here. >> whose pain? >> brian shactman. lewis is in the second row and brian shactman is still up in the bleachers. >> let me give you some perspective. lewis had better seats than joe torre who was behind him and i believe he was sitting next to the president of m.i.t. and steve rattner. i don't get it. but it happens. we're going to have him beaten up. thank you so much, doris. >> one thing for us new yorkers,

you guys are like frothing there. it's as if, literally declaration of independence just been signed. is there a chance that there's a little -- you guys are taking this a little too far? >> we need it. hang on to it. >> the red sox? >> just saying, so much politics to be talked about out there. >> i want to see joe and mika and barnacle in the parade. >> yankees will be back. i want to remind you. >> the larry coming down. >> oh, they are all coming down here. joe just jumped over -- >> i love it. i'm going to go jog around the field. >> look at the grown men. talk to the grown up guys. >> they are just being themselves. i love it. >> up next with no love lost for washington right now new polling shows real room for independent candidates to gain ground.

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♪ okay. yes. what you're seeing is true that's mika brzezinski lapping fenway park. they have run amuck. mika, joe. we got a bulletin boston police are removing them because they have been licking the green monster. >> they are is going take barnacle. >> this is not right. >> they are going take barnacle's tickets away. >> this is not right. >> they are doing jumping jacks. >> she's dancing. >> wait, there's a rockette

thing. >> i want to apologize to our viewers at home. >> there's been other world champions. >> we'll hold down the fort. there are problems at hand. when you have problems at hand you have government busters and chuck todd. in that nbc/wall street journal poll. basically one out of three voters say they will vote independent. >> what this is, our pollster said you have to look at our last two polls and in october, halloween, uber scary for both parties. at first it looked like republicans would take the heat but now the undertows. think of twin billing government shutdown. the republicans throw a tantrum. democrats looking incompetent can't launch health care. of course independent candidates. in some ways i'm surprised that number is only 30%. what's really scary among it,

independent does better than a generic republican candidate and that goes to this issue when you look at who they are, these are all parole voters. these are down scale working class people who just look at washington and think they have no clue about what is going on. >> harold, would you consider parole vote terrifies moderate republicans, maybe d.o.c. -- >> or used to call them reagan democrats. they voted for hilary in the democratic primary. we know who these voters are. these voters are not the kind of voters that come back to the white house as they roll on and route out government health care. they won't come back to the white house. >> they want government to work. that's why they are mad at the republicans. it's this weird -- not a weird group, a normal group of people who simply want government to be fair to them. and say get it done.

stop doing these things and by the way, you know what's going on in my life. >> they are also the people the most disgusted that no one in washington is talking about the economy. this is the group of americans that's been hardest hit by the burst of the housing bubble that continues to feel like we put up jobless numbers every week. they are not seeing their jobs come back and they are not seeing their wages go up. >> there's no rung -- >> there's no group to address their concerns. >> think about that economic ladder. they see that next rung is out of reach. >> harold, you're a democrat running for office in a few weeks. how do you defend the health care plan. you want to tow the party line but setting yourself up. >> i'm a democrat but at the same time you want government to work. you argue that you will go there to make it work. but you're not beholding to any party line, any person line. you're beholding to the country and the values that the party stands up for. what you're seeing in this polling is what you and

"esquire" magazine folks did in terms of what the moderate independent middle of the road voter looks like. that number is bigger than 30%. people are inclined to be republican or democrat. this is what you do and have done for a living. you figure out where the country is, what people want and voters are saying you know what i don't like either of them. i like democrats more because i'm pro choice on social, i . i like republicans more because i don't like taxes or regulation. i don't like any of them. i want this thing to work. you're a candidate republican or demonstrate that's what you have to resemble. >> if you're a candidate for office and want to be in public service and thinking about doing it for the first time in 2014, look yourself in the mirror can you effect change by being a member of elter party or effect change by blowing twoup parties. two parties -- best thing to happen to both parties in '92 was perot.

they recalibrate -- clinton wasn't talking about reduction until ross perot shoipd. republicans forgot how to reach out to economic populace. if you want to effect change in 2014 you have to think about it. >> when they are saying independent, i think independent tone of voice. as far as voters are concerned chris christie is independent. obviously he's not, he's a republican. they are searching for a voice. not a question of, i don't want republicans, i don't want democrats, i don't want business as usual. >> that's what they are saying. >> joe manchin fits that bill and tom coburn. they are looking for people with enough courage to say yeah go ahead primary me. this is what i believe and i'm going to vote to get the government back in business. it's not just independent politics and policies, it's an independence from all the power centers in washington. >> jeremy, is this the beginning

of purple nation where in reality 90% of americans are a wardrobe of issues when we don't necessarily all line up in the same place and this is the kind of road map if you're running for president whether i'm a democrat or republican, it is a mosaic and not black and white. >> that's a good point. purple nation probably in terms of national polls and national elections but in congress especially in the house of representatives, it's not because of gerry mandering. we talk about these polls and whether congress will realize how unpopular they are. only 29% of americans think now that their member of congress should be re-elected. that's startling. every time you ask a member of congress what do you think about this latest opinion poll that shows that your numbers are in the toilet, it's almost as if they don't hear it because, especially among republicans. they have started to dismiss

polls as illegitimate sources of information and i think, you know, that's a real problem. >> it's worked out great. >> before we take a break. here's an update from boston. mika is doing snow angels. no snow in boston. just apologize to our viewers who tuned in for politics. >> they were going to go st. louis. >> we have these crazed zealot fans in boston. as the guy who is the serious guy, chuck todd -- >> this is the first world series that's been one. >> other world series victors. >> what percent of the daily rundown will be focused on the red sox. >> warn them. i would say 6%. i'm not going to ignore it. it is news. 6%. you're the serious person, donny. >> i'm in trouble.

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welcome back to "morning joe" on this halloween. let me get you out the door today prepare you for your festivities. trick-or-treating with the kids. one of the worst, soggiest forecasts i've given for halloween for a long time. from texas to the great lakes and every where in between looks wet. torrential rain. severe thunderstorms with strung gusty winds. overnight austin, texas saw the worst of it. water rescues last night. major flooding going on in austin, texas. that rain continues well to the north not just texas. green is the rain going up to northern michigan. every where in between is a soaking rain and this is all going to slide to the east during the day today. windy especially up near the great lakes this evening too. not only raining but very windy. at least it won't be cold. it will be pretty warm. as far as rainfall amounts, one to two inches widespread and looks like northern new england has a rainy forecast this evening from new york city southward.

should be dry including d.c., baltimore and other areas. once again not halloween problems but a lot of airport delays today especially like chicago, detroit, cleveland, indianapolis, right down louisville, cincinnati into areas down there near houston. in boston for those people up there trick or treating and celebrating looks like a pretty decent day for them up there. north of boston a little wet for the kids running around later today. >> all right. listen, we're giddy back here. >> playing catch. >> playing catch. grabbing some bull pen dirt sam stein and i. are your surprised how high the wall is. >> iconic moment of torii hunter jumping over you think it's a small wall. it's not. >> we'll do a little recreation as we go to break here on "morning joe". >> we'll be right back.

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♪ ♪ ♪ with us now, nancy gibbs here to reveal the latest issue of "time." the cover is the secret web where drugs, porn and murder hide online, basically there is something called the silk road not through google or other websites that take you to sites for child porn, you can buy nuclear weapons. >> this is the part of the internet we never see. google doesn't index it. we wouldn't know how to get there. although it's very easy to get there because this is a place where you can still be anonymous. we've talked about how there's no such thing about privacy. the secret web, the deep web is

the place where you go about your business without anybody tracking you. all tlefhe levels of encryptions built by the u.s. military. >> explain how this happens. this very disturbing. >> the military built it for good reasons. it's useful for informants and intelligence gathering and covert communication and political dissidents and it's great for gun runners and assassins and you can download the software that gives you access to sites that you would otherwise not have access to and your identity go through multiple levels of encryption so law enforcement officials can't find you. you can buy drugs on the internet almost as easily as going to amazon and the payment

is done through untraceable currencies. earlier this month the fbi arrested one of the masterminds of the deep web. he built silk road. it was doing a billion dollars worth of commerce in illegal goods. it is so interesting because even as we talk about how the web changes everything about how we buy and sell and live, there's a whole secret web that is a very vibrant marketplace for bad goods, bad services, this is where you hire -- >> american people are watching how or the country is conducting surveillance on every day people and every day activities, we're watching stories about surveillance on overseas leaders including allies. it's hard to reconcile with what you're saying. how does this happen without being able to trace it, catch people and stop people from, you know, endangering the public and children alike. >> that's what's so fascinating.

the people who built it can't break it. it was built, the software was designed by researchers at the u.s. naval research laboratory. they knew once you have these levels of coding, it's very hard to trace. so now the fbi is trying to have new tools which they can penetrate the layers of anonymity that this software allows that hides the identity of the criminals. it's a real challenge to law enforcement because a lot of the laws were written 20 years ago. and are in no way strong enough to be able to penetrate this technology. >> really scary stuff. >> it is. >> thank you so much. new cover of the "time" magazine," the secret web." mika, what is coming up from where you guys are at candlestick park brp your at? >> we caused some trouble. we'll be fine. >> you know larry. >> all right. up next, "boston globe" columnist is standing by.

we'll get his take on what the world series win means for the city of boston. you're watching "morning joe" live from fenway park.

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this is for you, boston. you guys deserve it. this is for all of you and all the families who struggled with the bombing early this year. >> that was david ortiz paying tribute to the city of boston after last night's big win. joining us now from the boston globe kevin colin and kevin writes in part this. it has become an article of faith that the sox team has become closer, played looser and overachieved because of the

terrorist attack at the finish line of the bon on marathon. it seems impossible to prove, but i would defy anyone to disprove it. red sox players were moved. when you bacchus into a wall, you do two things. you cave or fight. dustin pedroia explained the resilience of the team nobody gave a chance. we are going to fight. >> the word resilience with regard to our teams, he has become the face of the boston red sox and also the face of major league baseball. his role specifically on this team and this town at this time and this year, after the bombing which many people who don't live here know this. the marathon is a communal event. like a 26-mile family picnic. speak to the club's role in healing immediately the breech that occurred and the shock in boston. >> one thing i don't think

people out of town realize is the red sox are actually linked to the marathon. every year as part of the marathon it's the red sox matinee. one of the things that happens is they time the game and play in the morning so people can leave here and the game starts at 11:00 and you are out of here by 3:00 and walk down to the marathon. you were here that day. you were at that game. that game was emblematic of this team. they won more than 20 teams with the last at-bat. mike napoli kissed the ball off the green monster and dust up pedroia came from first base. thousands of people walked out of this park and thousands of them were just walking down to watch the marathon. thousands upon thousands of people in this ballpark heard those bombs. saw that smoke. heard the chaos.

you mentioned here what happens with this game and this team, what happened that day was three people were killed that day and then someone was murdered. hundreds of people who were wounded. when those wounds were traumatic. people lost limbs. i think we are dangerously close to going down the road of cliche. boston strong. >> let's go down that road. >> i absolutely believe that this team's success sprung from what happened in april and they felt a certain responsibility to play and give. if you remember back then, the bruins are the same way.

they lost in game six of the nhl finals. our teams, what they do and the way we respond is a communal act and it's part of the healing process. no other way to say it. >> joe and mika, the bombing occurs and the red sox leave the city as the battered remains and less than a half mile from this ballpark for a three-day road trip and return to a city still shock and stunned and on its knees battered and knocked down and on its knees. daniel nava hits a game-winning home run when they return. we have been running metaphors go the ground all day, but you are on your knees. if you get up, you are still in the game. they got the city back into the game. >> willie geist made fun of the old tired statement that you

will hear with sportscasters at the end of the super bowl after hurricane katrina. you never know. it's a game. people suffering. in this case you make an exception because actually it's not melodramatic. this club is more tied to this city than any franchise i have seen in america. tied to that city. i would say there is more. he called me up for years saying hey -- i never heard mike say this. turn on your tv set. you are about to see something you have never seen before. that was that extraordinary saturday afternoon. ortiz rallied the city together. you can't explain it. >> what he did was unscripted and the fact that it had a cuss

word is bossy. >> it contained an adjective. i heard so many people say afterwards that he said exactly what i was feeling. that's how i felt. i will flip it around. if the red sox lost this series, i think the other reaction would have been it is only a game. i think what happened on patriots day was a communal attack. i would say this is the biggest small city in america. >> it is. >> when the firefighters from engine seven arrived at that scene, everybody on that truck, you know this. every guy on that truck from the chauffeur down to the lieutenant down to shawn o'brien, a great firefighter. they knew the richard family. they knew them all. >> let's talk about this city and how this impacted the city.

the celebration last night. everybody said this city is going to explode after they win and cars will be turned. we are walking back last night going-over the bridge. it's jam packed and suddenly everybody on the street start applauding. they start cheering and you turn to your left and you see a line of cops walking up the street. >> where they pitched the kid that friday night. same reaction. >> is that unbelievable that this is without even thinking in the midst of celebrating the first series championship since 1918, they stop in celebration and everybody turns and looks at the cops walking across the bridge and stops and stares and applauds. it's unbelievable. >> i still think like i said we go down these cliches and the city is still healing. that's true. there dozens of people that are

still doing out patient care and physical therapy. anybody that lives around here, i think i knew six or seven people that were wounded in the bombing. i know dozens of first responders. cops and firefighters who were traumatized by what they saw. when i hear people say boston strong crap, you don't get it. you are not from here. >> up next, two guys. >> we do have a seven-second delay. >> two guys who know boston as well as anybody, dan shaughnessy with senator ed marky. "morning joe" will be right back. >> this is our [ bleep ] city. nobody going to tick tate our freedom. stay strong. thank you.

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>> the 2-1 pitch. high flyball to left! this ball is off the monster. one run scores. here comes ortiz. here comes gomes. he is safe! it's 3-0, boston. >> our goal from day one was to be the best team we could possibly be. that was our goal. we worked hard every single day.

we are world champs. >> how much more meaningful is it to win this series in this park in this city? >> hey, all those that were affected in the tragedy, boston strong! thank you very much. that's all i got to say. >> welcome back to "morning joe" live from fenway park in boston, massachusetts, home of the world champion boston red sox. joining us on set from the boston globe, i want to know, do they shave the beards now? >> i don't think so. not for a week or two. they will celebrate with wives and girlfriends. >> let's ask larry later. >> through the parades. no doubt about it. shane victorino, through the first five games, everyone is singing the marley song. after about four or five games. everything is not going to be okay. game six with the tigers here

last night. he is mr. game six. >> mr. game six. he is the embodiment of the guys they bring in. they bring in the guys who play big markets and big games and know how to play in these games. he did it in philadelphia. >> a tough place to play. >> so he can do it here. >> we talked about it earlier and starts in april since the bombing into the month. it's not going to last. you get to june and think it's not going to last. they take a west coast trip to beat the dodgers and think maybe. just maybe we can get to september. >> that was when i thought they would be in the playoffs. the west coast trip. it didn't look sustainable. not the most talented team. not as much as the 04 or 07 team. literally the whole greater than the sum of the parts. when they beat the giants, start

to think maybe they sustain as they get to the playoffs. >> you wrote that the team is bad and boring. >> i am going to say too that everybody thought this. mark and i getting here, we talked the past couple of years, how many wince will they get? i think i said 84. 85. you said 75 and i said 84. if we went 500 that would be a shock. mike, this is again showing we can't buy your way to a championship. sometimes dump in a quarter of a billion dollars from the payroll is a smart move. >> one thing about dan is he writes what he writes. his assessment was off the mark and a lot of stuff you head about baseball or any other sport is written by not all, but people who never enter a locker room and eyeball to eyeball talk to a player. dan entered and talked to the players he writes about.

>> hasn't ended well either. >> i have been there to witness it. back to this team and what happened in the valentine year, the players who were shipped out are not bad people, but not well suited to this town. talk about that. >> the team was the worst team in 47 years last year. it wasn't just a talent deficit. guys were left over from the collapse of 2011 that didn't want to be here. josh beckett. adrian gonzalez, paul crawford. they were guys here and gonzalez and crawford were talented. they went to l.a. and it was good again. who was more fun to watch hit than him. they were complaining about night games and road trips and not a good fit for him to be in the market. you get seven guys like david ross and napoli and dempster and nose guys. they thrived this this thing.

it was a total clubhouse culture transformation. >> i think one of the great moments of this world series, you talked about these guys and how they stayed loose. ross gets on base a couple of nights ago and hasn't had a couple of hits. turns to the first base coach and said nice to meet you. they laugh and next time he comes up and blows the game wide open. they called themselves idiots in 2004 because they were too stupid to know there was a curse. now you look at the characters and it takes quirky characters to be able to perform this suffocating atmosphere. >> it's a cliche and everything and it was like a high school team. they are not high school guys, but they had the attitude that your kids get on the team when everybody is doing the right thing.

>> let's go to washington. not sure why he is there. >> not sure why he is there. >> doesn't he love that? democratic senator from massachusetts, ed marky. ed, where are you? >> we miss you, ed. >> you are so right. up in boston, you are born a democrat and a red sox fan. then you are baptized catholic seven days later. i did want to be there. the senate was in session. it's going to be in session this morning. >> whatever. whatever. >> there is a red sox fiasco across the country and everyone tuned if last night enjoying this incredible victory the same as the people in the ballpark. >> mike? sounds like a same excuse to me. >> the explanation about the red sox from coast to coast and everything like that.

do you think that you could sit and entertain yourself and be entertained by the red sox watching this club with ted cruz? >> wow. good question. >> right now i am on a ted cruz political prison and release program for this morning. just so i could be on the show. we were there for about three weeks basically waiting to be allowing the federal government to be released from their unbelievable belief that they should shut down the government because they wanted to end obama care. that would be like the detroit tigers saying we should not have a world series this year because they didn't make it. we basically resolved that. >> that's a good analogy. >> let's talk about sports instead of politicizing this moment. >> good lord, ed. can't you give it a break.

>> talk about it this morning. talk about what happened on april 15th of this year. what this team meant to the city and what this win means to the city. >> i was still a member of congress back in april representing watertown where the brothers were killed and captured. i represented cambridge where the officer was killed. the site of the marathon is a place where a million people come together. it is that one moment where the whole state and the whole region comes together. that's our communal moment. that was traumatic. the red sox basically responded in a way that talked about how resilient not only the region was going to be, but how the team was going to be responding

as well. they fuel-injected all of us with a sense of community and optimism about the future even as we resolve to help all of those who had been heroes. even on that one day, they brought out the firemen and the policemen and the victims. especially the first responders who ran towards the trouble as the ordinary citizens were running away. it was a special day. >> no doubt about it. senator, thank you very much for being with us. >> can i add this one thing? i had standing room tickets in 1967, long board versus bob gibson and i recommend to the administration that they have everyone working on the health care website to grow beards until they get this right. >> it worked. ed, thank you so much.

we greatly appreciate it. he brings up 1987. >> 46 years ago. >> 2004, 2013. the red sox and cardinals had three series in 45 years or so. talk about this year. you followed the sox your entire life. how does this year stack up to 2004, 2007, the great teams of the past. >> well, you know, i'm going to date myself. i was here in 67 for that world series. bob gibson. an incredible town and an incredible team that brought back baseball as they testified to in this region. this year's team is sort of like we got something at christmas that you never expected to get. you open up the box and there it was. i never thought i would get

this. thanks, dad. that's what the team was. in february, march, april, may. we will have a better year than last year. we couldn't help but have a better year. the surprise in the package at the end of the october is stunning. >> if you are going to rank them, 67 was the year that we went from black and white to color. they didn't win the world series, unforgettable year. 04 is number one because they hadn't won in 86 years and they were down to the yankees. >> it wasn't as good as this one, but that was a gift that keeps on giving. this year, senator ed marky talked about being born catholic and democrat in this region. yesterday's gospel was a gospel of the book of luke. the closing was last shall be first. yesterday. i'm not making that up. >> wow. >> i didn't go to mass, but i

saw it. >> there was something about this team that was just really special when you saw it going through the year. mike and i were sitting here in game two against the tigers. through the seventh inning, they looked so terrible. mike and i were talking and mike tweeted and talked about it's time to put the shutters on the season. i was thinking, mike, i never expected the season. the thing s you are right. you didn't expect it, but i was upset. i never expected this team to go out with a whimper like this. they were so special. ortiz hits and it's got to be one of the best five games ever. ortiz hits a home run that we will remember as much as game six or seven.

>> one of the top five red sox moments of all time. the individuals come together collecting as a team which is really important, which is what they did. you can get in the car on a summer afternoon or evening around new england or anyplace elsewhere they have the town teams. they have them here. you can stop at a field and see guys 25, 28 years of age who played baseball in high school or college. you can see in your mind's eye jonny gomes and napoli in those games. david ross. that's a big identification factor with the fans in this club. these guys are not superstars. they are very good athletes and great baseball players, but they are not superstars and they like this market. >> all right. thank you very much. the last time we did the show from fenway, senator joined us

here in the stadium. we have a video of it. he was very nice. up next, we will ask the south dakota republican why he didn't make the trip back. we will also talk politics. there is something going on in washington. maybe something is happening in washington. first, here's bill with a check on the halloween forecast. bill? that's what we thought. >> as far as the rest of the country goes, this halloween forecast, what a rough start it has been already in texas. it will spread across the country. i'm amazed the airports are not doing worse. we had a 30-minute delay with fog and torrential rains with great lakes southward. if you are traveling in the air. you will see delays piling up. too much stormy weather to avoid it. the work is heading up between arkansas and mississippi. louisiana is also getting hit down to houston where the strongest storms are. the rain is all the way up.

st. louis, chicago, detroit and cleveland and everywhere in between, a soaker of a day. you try to time out the trick or treating, this area of red is the heaviest of rapes that is from the ohio valley to the deep south. light rain in new england too. that's getting washed out for the trick or treating plans. maybe a big umbrellaal do the trick. washington wash is an exception. you will be dry and warm and windy. you are watching "morning joe." blal when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap

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. >> i have lost it all. >> look at the scoreboard. we were talking sam stein and mike and myself, paranoid boston fans. we were talking about what we did not want. sam stein, we did not want game seven halloween night in boston. the full moon rising over prudential center building. you can hear, on october 31st, the ghost of luke. you didn't want that, did you? >> no. the slow motion track and

monster mashing. steven drew striking out. >> the mood of the show would have been different. kathleen sebelius. >> donny deutsch and nicole wallace. patiently drudging through three hours of red sox adoration. we miss you. tell us how did kathleen sebelius do here yesterday? >> probably as well as could be expected. it's really hard to defend. the website roll out is one thing and they will get that fixed. it's embarrassing i think for them to have to come up and explain this and defend a major disaster, but i think as the president said, this is not just a website. it's much more. the things that will be harder to defend are the canceled

policies and all the things that are hitting middle class americans now. the real problem the administration has with the health care plan. >> nicole wallace? >> we haven't seen this in a long time. i opened up "time" magazine this morning and they are pointing to problems in the president's credibility. "the washington post" is talking about the falsehoods he uttered when he told the people if they liked their plan they could keep it and if they liked their doctor, they can keep him or her. how do they do something constructive and productive with the rare moment we have. >> the democrats can gets back on offense because we have been taking a lot of punches here lately. this prohibits an opportunity to talk about alternatives that would address the problems we have in the health care system delivery and insurance coverage today. the problem the administration

has is as you pointed out, they made all these promises and now they just appear to be broken. when you get four pinnocchios by saying if you like your insurance, you can keep it and then you have all these people having the policies canceled, it makes it clear if the white house likes your insurance, you can keep it, but if you like it, you may not be able to. as republicans we need to be thoughtful about this and talk about what we do for it. >> we have great talking points and you are moving off that into the substance. is a little bit of a head fake as far as people can't keep their own insurance is because it doesn't live up to the stand arsd of expanded coverage or premiums are higher? >> they should have said that. it would have been easy for the president to make that point. if you can get coverage, but you have to get the preapproved government coverage as opposed

to the policy you have now and like. i think that the way this was rolled out and the rhetoric around it and the narrative is undermined. i think that's a problem for the administration and an opportunity for us as republicans to attack this and also say okay, we have a better way. i think that you are going to see more democrats coming to the view that we ought to delay this. the president delayed the mandate for big businesses and a lot of people think if they get that delay, why don't we? it's not ready for prime time as the roll out has evidenced. this will be debated going into next year. we are all very grateful to the democrats and the president that now that the shut down is over, we are talking about something else. >> from your favorite newspaper and "new york times." >> good morning, senator. i want to look ahead for a minute. as you know, this white house is very good at putting up issues

that divide the republican party like immigration reform, for example. we know that's going to happen again probably next year. what would your advice be to republicans to keep their message focused in a positive way on their issues and avoid getting dragged back into another party feud? >> what i tried to encourage my colleagues in the senate and anybody who will listen is to keep focused on the pocket book issues and the bread and butter issues and kitchen table issues that the american people care about. how to grow the economy and improve the take home pay for little class americans some obama care plays into that because of the premiums and the health care cost and things that do affect americans every day. the president and his allies, you are right. they try to pick the wedge issues that divide republicans. it's important for us to stay focused on the message that we think is a winning one with the

american people. start to bring the poll numbers back up. we have an opportunity to recover here. we need to approach the issues in the right way and articulate a message that is a winning one with the american people. jobs and the economy and higher take home pay and better standard of living for little class americans. >> you mentioned the messaging and opportunity for republicans out of this moment. the administration is having difficulty. how do you deal with that ideal originically rigid element that seems intent on bringing it back to eliminate obama care. how do you deal with that internally within your party? >> i think we have to win the argument that republicans can be conservative and principaled, but we have to be smart and strategic. we have to be thinking about how are we going to position ourselves for the long game? lots of short games get played here in washington.

the new cycle day to day, but the long game is winning elections. you have to position yourself in a way that attracted the american people. that's why i think that yes, we have voices here in washington, d.c. and we have people who are very conservative and very principaled about that and we have to be practical and smart and play the long game. that's the message i try to carry to my colleagues and hopefully we will prevail with that. >> after that brilliant mike barnacle -- >> that was very weird by the way. >> let's stipulate this. he's not going to sign legislation that repeals obama care. it won't happen until he's out of office. are you content to work within the confines and pass legislation that will change it, but mot wipe it off the map? >> i will tell you that most of

us say that it's built on a faulty foundation and it's going to crumble. on a substance level, it will be hard to cancel this out. we argued that it doesn't add up. the math doesn't work. we would like to do this over. obviously in the near term, we want to spare as many people we can from the harmful effects of this law. we will see. maybe there will be movements and cracks among democrats who are recognizing that this is hard to defend with their constituents who are seeing the canceled policies and rate increases. in the end, we would like to go in a different direction. that's the case we would like to take the american people. >> hey, john. always great talking to you. >> joe, i was impressed with you and i saw you running on the warning track. you didn't stop. there were no donut breaks or anything. it was really impressive.

>> there was a donut break. >> if i were donny deutsch, i would prove who i was by taking off my jacket by having a baby gap t-shirt on and doing 30 push ups. a great basketball player. >> yes. oh, no. don't. >> he is doing a great basketball player. >> what's going on? >> congratulations to mike. we are allred sare all red sox . thanks, mika. >> thank you so much. >> what's going that i want to see. i want to see. >> when jonathan started to talk, i have known him for a long time. if only every republican handled themselves that way. by the way, john thune as

conservative as they get. it's not like he is some squishy moderate sell out or anything. he's a conservative guy. >> i have to see. i am masochistic. show me new york. >> here it is. >> whoa! stop it! >> donny. donny. hold on. put the picture of donny up. >> i just had some murch consisten kins. >> he spends a lot of time in front of the mirror and tans and waxes. not hot. >> look at this. louis actually wearing a real beard. happy halloween. very good. that was really good.

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to future trends, shares immediately gave back the gains. we will keep an eye and see which way they decided to go. the broader theme as we look to chose out the month is how strong of a rally we have seen this month and year for the stock market. up 24% for the s&p 500. that's a brought basket of stocks. they are the biggest money manager in the world and have $4 trillion in assets. for your halloween, the theme is going to be bubble bubble toil or trouble. >> that bodes well for the twitter ipo. >> it may and it may not. there is a lot of talk about whether twitter is too much of a niche product. facebook is struggling with it being too mature and has the concept of being too niche on the other. if twitter can show more like facebook size and scope in terms of users, that will be a good

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>> that was red sox general manager before the start of the season on the moves he made that helped drive the red sox from worst to first. joining us now manager john ferrell and president and ceo, larry. congratulations. >> huh, mika. thank you. >> i'm so happy. i don't know you that well. >> larry, let's start with you. you guys take over the team in

2001. nothing but pain for eight decades. can you believe three world series in a decade some. >> yes, i can believe it now. i'm just beginning to let it sink in. it's an extraordinarily good feeling to be sure. if it's anyplace that deserves this success, it's boston given the eight decades of futility and the passion of the fans. >> coach, i said you to you nobody would have believed this in april. you said a few of us believed. what did you see in april that nobody else saw some. >> there was a belief in the clubhouse when we assembled back in mid-february. just to name a couple of guys, the core was a very talented one. they finished with a lot of

injuries. the additional players and the free agents and those that have been traded for. ben is the who needs to get more credit into all of this. as we sit here this morning, ben's vision starring back with the trade with the dodgers, culminating into the guys who were brought in this winder. we got into spring training and you got to the clubhouse and they came from winning organizations and championship players -- >> look at this. >> good job! good job. >> look at this. >> thank you. >> holy cow. >> that's so cute. >> where do these guys come from? it's unbelievable. >> attitude like that. we felt like we had great team chemistry. as each month passed, i think we believed internally that this was a special group with a

chance to do something special. >> larry, baseball is such a funny sport. it drives guys like you crazy at times. but by being here after you dumped $250 million in payroll last year. we were all talking saying you know what, we won't win the world series, but this gets us ready to win in three or four years. nobody expected this. you have all of these other guys, man. really coming together now. >> you are right. i think john is right. the beginning step, the first step was the transaction last year. that gave us a chance to do things that we needed to do. wouldn't have had the capacity to do. it began with the trade and then the successful off season acquisitions.

>> being there yesterday, last night out on the field, all of that was so exciting, but sitting in the stands, we moved around. this place is amazing. it is a family. everybody here. everybody who works here no matter what they do, everybody is high fiving each other. >> i love that. music to my ears to hear you say that. >> it's a family. >> the greatest place on earth. >> fenway park was as loud and amped up as i have ever seen it in all the years we have been here. this is a special moment. >> make it a requirement. i want to see their faces. >> we have where the behavior is accepted. >> where are they going to go? >> i don't know. they started back in spring training and to think about the length of that -- >> you went to a game and one man came out and he had a

straggly beard. >> that's cute. he saw the next and said wait a minute, it will be creepy. >> and the third one. >> what is it about this town, larry? some players that will. boston really is the smallest big city. it can be suffocating if you don't have the right attitude being a red sock in this town. what is it about this team and the 2004 team that the quirky personalities can handle? >> the extra verts have been a team that was applied to them. personality and character counts when you are making assessments in the baseball operation. they made a thousand decisions this year that worked out and at the bottom of most of the player decisions, the personality and character and ability to work in the crews bell that is boston

baseball. the media is everywhere. you have to have a strength and resilience. >> what you have done, i remember a couple of septembers ago, it was the worst i think in baseball history. we were left exposed. i'm not going to name names, but we were left exposed. ben and you took over. you guys all said we have to rebuild the team. it's incredible. >> it starts at the top. the commitment to winning that john has. it's about we didn't do this to make money in this business. we did it to win championships with joy and pride and satisfaction. >> you have done an incredible job. we are going to win it next year too. you can punch me. >> larry.

congratulations. thank you, gentlemen, so much. >> we didn't get a prediction. >> i was thinking back a year ago after coming back here and saying what have they told you? they have given us 12 months. here we are. >> so larry -- >> i photo bombed. it's stacy. >> a little photo bomb going on. guys, congratulations. i just found out your memoirs are from nashville. my old stomping grounds. >> it has been tested. >> it's gorgeous. >> up next, what if anything did we learn today?

>> for 95 year, the red sox are world champions. >> now they frisk it. >> for me, a clepto maniac do anything i want to do. >> you steal that shampoo from the ritz. i love that. >> the boston police are removing that because they have been licking the green monster. >> we have problems with the health care roll out. >> i'm out of here. i'll go with you. come on. >> the iconic moment of torii hunter jumping over. >> show me new york. >> here it is. >> hello! >> stop it!

>> welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned at home plate. what have we learned? >> thanks to john, linda, tom, stacy and everyone with the red sox for hosting us. can i run the bases? >> in those boots, i don't know. you have to slide into home. what did you learn? >> everyone thought about baseball being a slow game between the double play and the obstruction. >> nothing slow about this game or the series. it's been painful. it ended up -- >> i learned that dreams can come true. you can be at home plate looking up and wondering if you can hit one into the seats. >> we can. >> go! here we go.